Charlatan Sai Baba.

[atma]

Een psychologische truc om je cognitieve dissonantie te verminderen. Je voelt aan je water dat er iets mis is met die materialisaties, maar je wilt Baba niet afvallen. Dus zeg je maar je niet zo veel erom geeft. Zelfbedrog..

Nee hoor, ik heb van af kinds af aan al zoiets dat er veel meer mogelijk is en veel meer is dan wij kunnen waarnemen. Voor mij is het heel normaal dat wanneer je een bepaalde bewustzijnstoestand bereikt er dingen mogelijk zijn die vele als wonderen zullen beschrijven.

“I have come to help all to acquire this Sathwic (serene) nature. You might have heard people talk about My miracles, of My creating this and giving that, of my fulfilling all your wants, of My curing your illnesses. But they are not as important as the Sathwa Guna (state of serenity and calmness) I appreciate, promote and instill. Of course, I confer on you these boons of health and prosperity, but only so that you might, with greater enthusiasm and with less interruption, proceed with spiritual sadhana (pursuit).”

- 25th July 1958 in Nellore, Andhra Pradesh.
“Sathya Sai Speaks”, Vol.- I, Chapter – 11. Page: 62-63

Er is meermaals hard bewezen dat die zogenaamde materialisaties op bedrog berusten.

O'ja? Die paar filmpjes op het net bedoel je? Daar had ik al iets over gezegd.

Of is het de ene keer bedrog en de volgende keer echt?

Dat is niet eens zo'n rare gedachte. Lees het volgende:

False Materializations?
Source: http://www.saibaba-aclearview.com/contents2.html

[Copyright 2001. Dated August 2001. This material may be downloaded, reproduced and distributed freely, as long as the source is clearly attributed.]------------------------------------------------------------------------------

By R. D. Awle

Some people have accused Baba of “faking” materializations, saying, for instance, that they have seen Him clandestinely pull a ring from under His cushion and then wave His hand and pretend to miraculously manifest the ring. Although these stories may just be more lies from the jealous ones, let’s assume, for the sake of discussion, that Baba does occasionally throw some cheap magic tricks in among His miracles, and allows a few devotees to glimpse His sleight of hand. What could be the reason for it?

First of all, there could be many devotees whom Baba wishes to bless with a faith-enhancing gift, who are simply not karmically ripe enough to receive a divinely manifested object. (Most souls in this age are immersed in dense worldly ignorance, and are neither spiritually ready nor karmically deserving to witness genuine miracles.) So, although Baba definitely has the power to manifest anything He wishes, and transform one object into another with a single puff of His breath (something He has proved time and time again for decades), for certain souls He might instead engage in a bit of beginner’s magic, and pull a ring from under His cushion rather than materializing it. This would enable those devotees to receive the gifts from His hand that they craved, thereby giving their faith a boost, while satisfying the requirements of the Law of Karma.

By allowing one or more devotees to glimpse the trick, my guess is that Baba would simply be exposing a doubt that was already lurking within their minds, bringing it to the surface so it could be faced directly - and in the process giving them a severe test. I imagine He might be saying, ‘So, you claim to be My devotee! But after all these years of experiencing my omniscience and omnipresence and witnessing my miracles first hand, and after hearing and reading thousands of accounts of the healings and blessings I have bestowed on others - you still doubt Me? Then perhaps you are not worthy to be My devotee. Here, you see? I am a fake! I have pulled the ring from under the cushion! Now, isn’t it best you leave Me and begin denouncing Me to the world? Then other immature souls will also stay away. V e r y happy!’

When the doubting devotee is thus challenged, he will either make the choice to leave Baba, or else receive the grace to remember Baba’s Divinity, infinite power and mischievous nature - and then cast aside all doubts and emerge with fully renewed faith. Using such a test, Baba can filter out devotees whose faith is only ‘miracle deep’ and shallow in true devotion and understanding, while retaining more mature devotees whose faith and devotion are based on a profound soul experience of who He is - a faith unshakable by such leelas. (I would guess that only those of the second variety are ready for the full-out quest for Self-Realization, the ultimate Gift, the one Baba took birth to give.)

Another possible outcome: by shocking a devotee out of his ‘miracle-based faith’, Baba’s tricky test could serve as a wake up call from the duality laden Guru-disciple dream, breaking the devotee’s attachment to worship of the external Guru, and leaving him with no recourse but to put all his focus on the non-dual Atman - which is, after all, the true spiritual goal. Through that sudden shift of focus onto the Self within, the devotee just might find Baba in a whole new way; it could even propel him all the way to Enlightenment - to the permanent realization that Paramatma Sai is his own indwelling ‘I’.

And remember, to bring us to Enlightenment is the Guru's one essential task - their very raison d'etre - and they will accomplish that task 'by any means necessary', including lying, trickery, the breaking of taboos, and any other available method of shocking us out of our complacency and making us thoroughly miserable in our spiritual egos!

(Sometimes a painful whack from Zen Master Baba can be far more valuable than a miracle...)

One thing to keep in mind: intentionally bringing up doubts in the devotees’ minds is a time-tested technique used by many Gurus; I have personally experienced it with Ammachi, and also read about Neem Karoli Baba using the same method. What better way to bring the devotee face to face with his own Doubting Thomas, and challenge him to rise above all doubts into the true Atmic quest, into unflinching faith, surrender and Divine Love?

Knowing Baba’s playful Krishna nature, I certainly wouldn’t put it past Him to be playing a few games with His materialization leelas. He is, after all, an embodiment of Mahamaya, the Creatrix of the whole cosmic illusion, the One who is fooling all beings! Yet He is also the supreme Truth, and the supreme bliss - and if we can learn to enjoy His mischievous games as much as He does, without insisting He play by our rules, I believe we’ll have gone a long way towards attaining that bliss, which is our true eternal nature.

I know a young man from Mexico who witnessed what he thought was a fake materialization done by Baba. He went into anguish over the doubt it created in his mind, and secretly prayed that Baba would clear it away with something truly ‘unfakable’, such as making water pour out of His hand! The next day Baba called him in for a private interview, rolled up His sleeve and held out His down-turned hand - and suddenly, a stream of water poured out of His palm like water from a tap!

My friends, is it wise to doubt Him?

For those who have studied Sai Baba in depth and witnessed His materializations first hand, there can be no doubt that the vast majority of them are bona fide miracles. I and many of my friends have seen numerous unquestionably-genuine miracles up close: necklaces and watches literally popping out of the air beneath Baba’s hand, right before our eyes. And there are thousands of believable stories. My fiancé's parents know an American woman for whom Baba once materialized a gold bangle during an interview. When she tried to put it on it was too small, and wouldn’t fit over her hand, so Baba took it back, held it up for all to see, and blew on it - and the bangle instantly expanded to a much larger size, which easily fit over her hand! But then she said, “Swami, now it’s too big - it’ll fall off!” So He bent over and blew on it again - and the bangle instantly shrank into a perfect fit around her wrist.

(Can any of you guys do that?)

I recently heard a story about a young Australian whose group was called for an interview. He had forgotten his yellow ‘group scarf’, and in a panic considered running back to his room - he went half-way towards the exit, and then changed his mind and decided to risk being turned away at the interview room door. Baba graciously let him in, sans scarf, and during the course of the interview Baba materialized a ring for him, with the usual photo of Baba’s face on it, which was passed around for all to see. After the interview, the young man went back to his room and took a nap, and when he woke up, he discovered that the photo on the ring had undergone a miraculous transformation: Baba was now pictured wearing a yellow scarf around His neck! (I heard the story from someone who was in the ashram at the time and saw the transformed ring himself.)

Do tell, doubters, how did Baba "fake" that one?

One thing to keep in mind: the gifts Baba give reflect the qualities of the people to whom they are given. Furthermore, what we see in the Sai Mirror (and receive therefrom) reflects primarily our own minds. Baba often manifests diamond rings, with surprisingly large diamonds set beautifully in gold; some of these rings have been valued at over a quarter of a million dollars. Yet one man, who has now taken to globally scandalizing Baba, also received a ring from Him - and when he took it to a jeweler for valuation, he was told it was not a diamond at all but merely a well-cut lump of glass! Is it any wonder Baba gave such a ring to one who would prove a completely false devotee?

Of this I am sure: if Baba does occasionally engage in a bit of ‘sleight of hand’, it is only another piece of His maya - specifically designed to create negative rumors that will test His devotees and keep unripe souls from recognizing Who He is. Those who think they have ‘caught the magician at his tricks’ have actually been fooled by the Avatar’s maya, and in the process proved themselves as yet unworthy to behold the glory of the living Incarnation of God.

Dat kan je ook prima ervaren zonder een goeroe achterna te lopen. Die liefde zit in jezelf, niet in een goeroe. Ieder mens kan dat ervaren, zonder dat hij of zij goden of goeroes nodig heeft. Het is een normale menselijke eigenschap.

Dat klopt. Echter de guru helpt richting je Zelf. In India is het heel normaal, hier niet.
De guru heeft de Liefde die wij zijn totaal gerealiseerd, of te wel hij is het. Het licht zegmaak dat in ons brandt is een groot vuur bij hem/haar. Wat gebeurt als je een kleine vlam bij een groot vuur houd? Precies, het wordt het grote vuur.

“I am neither man nor God nor an astral spirit; I am neither a Brahmin (the priestly class), nor a Kshathriya (the warrior class), nor a Vaishya (the business class), nor a Shudra (the working class); The appellations of Brahmachari (celibate) or house-holder, or recluse or monk do not describe Me; I am the Sathya Bodhaka, a Teacher of Truth, as Sathyam (Truth), Shivam (Goodness) and Sundaram (Beauty). Your reality too is Sathyam, Shivam and Sundaram.

Without Truth there cannot be Goodness; without Goodness, what does Beauty avail? The effect of truth on the mind is Goodness; the joy that flows from Goodness is the genuine Beauty that artists love. The three are really one and indivisible. Experience this Truth; this Truth as Goodness and this Goodness as Beauty. That gives the highest Bliss.”

- 6th March 1970 in Prashanthi Nilayam.
“Sathya Sai Speaks”, Vol. X, Chapter – 7. Page: 33

atma

[lanier]

Nogmaals, lees het artikel op pagina 1 van dit topic dat ik gekopieerd heb van professer Venkataraman (in het engels: http://media.radiosai.org/Journals/Spec ... THOMAS.pdf
wat een duidelijk verhaal is van iemand die er daadwekelijk iets over kan zeggen.

Dat is geen verhaal van een onafhankelijke persoon. Hij wordt vaak de minister van Propaganda van Baba genoemd.
Zie: http://barrypittard.wordpress.com/2007/ ... kataraman/

[Ganapathi Das]

Beste Mensen,

sb is een echte oplichter, ik WAS 14 jaar een volgeling en heb daarvan een jaar of 7 mijzelf uigelooft in groepen en centra's, in alle mogelijke functies.
Heb reeds uit EERTSE hand vernomen dat zijn praktijken berusten op niets, het is allemal gelogen en gespeeld.
Ben nu zo'n 4 jaar sb vrij en dat voelt pas echt als een verlichting, jammer dat de meeste volgelingen zo vasthouden en zo blijven geloven, de meeste doen dit overgens omdat zij tegenover hun familie geen gezichts verlies willen lijden, geloof me maar.
Ik kan je heel wat staaltjes vertellen maar dan moet ik namen noemen van de betrokkenen en gedupeerden en dat wil ik niet.
Misschien is het al genoemd in deze discusie, ik noem het nogmaals, lees a.u.b. The Findings, dit is slechts het TOPJE van de sai berg met stront!

www.exbaba.com

Mijn vrouw heeft veel moeite gehad alles achter zich te laten, mij ging het wat makkelijker af, ik lieg echt niet, ws sb maar echt God geweest dat had een heleboel mensen veel problemen bespaard!

Groet, Ganapathi Das

[Amehoelah]

sb is een echte oplichter, ik WAS 14 jaar een volgeling en heb daarvan een jaar of 7 mijzelf uigelooft in groepen en centra's, in alle mogelijke functies.
Heb reeds uit EERTSE hand vernomen dat zijn praktijken berusten op niets, het is allemal gelogen en gespeeld.

Goed om te horen dat je er uit bent. Kun je zoal wat zaken noemen die 'mis gaan'? Is volgens jou sb een sekte, en zo ja, waar merk je dat aan? Heb je iets gemerkt van de financiele malversaties?

Gegroet Amehoelah

[doctorwho]

Hij zit in elk geval goed in zijn onroerende goederen naast deze nog een stuk of acht van die optrekjes.




A major new residence exclusively for Sathya Sai Baba's use now stands in front of the Poornachandra hall at Prahsanthi Nilayam, reportedly built for reasons of security! There is a twin building, which contains a hall etc. Details of the size of the building or its cost are, for obvious reasons, not released by the Sathya Sai Central Trust. One wonders why the two identical super-costly and top secure apartments (one at either side of the front) are no longer adequate? They are served by special secure lifts which were built within the Poornachandra Hall complex after the 1993 murders, which soaked the avatar's floors in human blood etc. One may also ask why a self-styled omnipotent and omniscient God avatar who has formally predicted that he will live to 93 years (also later to 96 years or alternatively any age he chooses according to circumstance) needs such massive protection at all times?

Sai Baba has also declared: "I am prepared" he said, "even to give up Prashanthi Nilayam to meet the needs of my people." (Sanathana Sarathi October 1998, page 265)

Comment: That's just more of your talk or else you would go ahead and do it. 'Your' people are supposed to be everyone, according to you, including 400 million poverty-stricked Indians. Start there!

"For my sake (believe it or not) do not spend a naya paisa. Though 56 years have passed, I have not got even one shirt or gown stitched for Me. I am now wearing what is given by a student..." (Sathya Sai Speaks Volume XV. page 312.)

Comment: You are such a blatant liar, Sai Baba, everything you wear, every bite you eat, everywhere you live, all luxury vehicles you drive in, and every hip joint or whatever you get has been given to you by others! Who provided the buildings, pays the rent or maintenance etc. for the luxury apartments reserved exclusively for you and used by no one else? Who in actual fact OWNS them (i.e. if not in formal legal terms)?

"Right from a tender age, I never received anything from others. I only give and give and give, I never receive."
(Sanathana Sarathi October 1998, page 275)

Comment: But you had nothing and say you have nothing, so how could you give? Talking, smiling and flattering people is easy, and they pay you for it thousands of times over!

[Ganapathi Das]

Goed om te horen dat je er uit bent. Kun je zoal wat zaken noemen die 'mis gaan'? Is volgens jou sb een sekte, en zo ja, waar merk je dat aan? Heb je iets gemerkt van de financiele malversaties?

Gegroet Amehoelah

Harmen Reerink, een vooraanstaand man in de sb beweging was eens bij ons thuis en we keken de Secret Swami, een jongen en een man vertellen hun verhaal na te zijn misbruikt door sb.
na het kijken van de film zei Harmen Reerink dat hij op de hoogte was van het feit dat sb kinderen en mannen misbruikt en hij vind het een daad van grote liefde , Harmen Reerink is kinder psycholoog.

Dit zegt wel genoeg denk ik, van ontkennen is dus geen sprake!

Nog een leuk stukje van:

Ds.Canon William V. Rauscher

Ik weet dat hij een astraal wezen is, of iets dergelijks; een Deva (goddelijk wezen) of een Asura (duivel).
Zoals het in Thessalonicenzen 2 in het Nieuwe Testament over de antichrist wordt beschreven, is heel goed op hem van toepassing.
Paulus (Saul van Tarsus, leerling van Gamaliël), kijkt in zijn brieven blijkbaar naar het eeuwige nu. Ik word nu niet hysterisch, want Antichrist heeft veel betekenissen. ‘In de komst van de Wetteloze is de kracht van Satan zichtbaar (ik vertaal dit als Ego); zijn verschijning zal vergezeld gaan van allerlei machtsvertoon, bedrieglijke tekens en wonderen’. (Thess.2:10). ‘Hij zal plaatsnemen in de Tempel van God en beweren God te zijn’.(Thess.2:4). Al het bovenstaande heeft Sai Baba gezegd en gedaan!!!!! Telkens weer. Zelfs in de verjaardagstoespraak van 23-11-99 zegt hij, dat men zich niet moet schamen door te zeggen dat zij naar Puttaparthi gaan om God te zien! Combineer dat met zijn bewezen valse materialisatie-wonderen op video, en alles klopt!! ‘Het ware syndroom van de ware gelovige’. ‘De behoefte om te geloven in valse wonderen gaat niet slechts boven de logica uit, maar naar het schijnt, zelfs ook boven het gezond verstand’.

Duidelijke taal dus.



Hij had beter circus artiest kunnen worden.

Wie het boek van CONNY LARSSON wil lezen "Behind the Mask of the Clown" kan mij even een PMtje sturen en dan mail ik het toe, uiteraard heb ik toestemming van Conny om het boek legaal digitaal te verspreiden aan een ieder die het weten wil!

Ganapathi Das

[doctorwho]

Ganapathi Das schreef

Hij had beter circus artiest kunnen worden

Ja of disco zanger/danser bij Boney M

[Ganapathi Das]

Ja of disco zanger/danser bij Boney M

De Zanger/Danser van Boney M ziet er nog iets beter uit op zijn oude dag dan sb



Ze kwamen zagen en verloren, mensen vallen voor dit lichaam en blijven volhouden dat hij God is in zijn mooiste vorm
sb kan bijna niet meer lopen en laat zich zien in een golfkarretje wat de volgelingen dan i.p.v. Darshan (het zien van de vorm van de heer) carshan noemen.

GPD

[atma]

Twenty Two Sai Students Respond To The Allegations Against Sathya Sai Baba
An Amazing Set Of Emails Suppressed On The English ExBaba Domain
Sai Students Menu (click on a link to go to relevant section):

Introduction
(Reinier Van Der Sandt) ExBaba Webmaster's Email To Sai Students
Sai Students Respond To The Allegations
Emails:
01 - 02 - 03 - 04 - 05 - 06 - 07 - 08 - 09 - 10 - 11
12 - 13 - 14 - 15 - 16 - 17 - 18 - 19 - 20 - 21 - 22

Introduction:
Just recently, Lisa DeWitt found a webpage on the Dutch ExBaba domain whose contents were never divulged on the English ExBaba domain. The ExBaba webmaster (Reinier Van Der Sandt) purchased access to the alumni.net website and obtained a list of 206 names and emails of Sathya Sai Students attending the Sri Sathya Sai Higher Secondary School and the Sri Sathya Sai Institute Of Higher Learning (both in Puttaparthi, India).

These emails were personally obtained from Sai Students by Reinier Van Der Sandt (a fierce and relentless critic of Sathya Sai Baba) and he published them in March 2001. Therefore, the integrity of these emails are vouched for by an Anti-Sai Activist himself. The ExBaba webmaster emailed 206 Sai Students (promising them confidentiality) hoping to get an admission of, or knowledge about, sexual abuse allegations against Sathya Sai Baba. What he received were 22 emails from Sai Students (many attending Baba's schools for many years) where all of them (without exception) denied the allegations against Sathya Sai Baba and related positive encounters and experiences with him.

These emails wholly refute the numerous claims (made by Anti-Sai Activists) that Sai Students are all aware of Sathya Sai Baba's alleged sexual behaviors among themselves and that they are imprisoned, isolated, desperate for help, etc. It is also important to point out that many of these Sai Students had graduated and were not living at Baba's Ashram when they received Reinier's email. Therefore, they had nothing to hide and were at liberty to say whatever they wanted.

This purposely suppressed webpage also provided a source (i.e., alumni.net) where a list of 155 Sai Student Names could have been obtained. In September 2001, on several Anti-Sai forums and sites, an anonymous person using the name "Ex-Sai Student" (since exposed as "UsedByBaba") posted a list of 155 Sai Student names and claimed that all of them were sexually abused by Sathya Sai Baba. In the past 5 years, not even one Anti-Sai Activist, Anti-Sai Media or Anti-Sai Rationalist has been able to confirm even one single case of sexual abuse from any Sai Student in the list of 155 names (or anywhere else, for that matter).

Reinier Van Der Sandt attempted to equate a "no response" (to his email inquiries) with a "hesitatation to respond because of an other reason" (implying that Sai Students were hesitant to respond because they were sexually abused). Since Reinier (the ExBaba webmaster) believed this (as evidenced on Email 10) it is entirely possible that the list of 155 Sai Student names was published in an attempt to force these Sai Students into giving some sort of confession. Needless to say, it didn't work. This also shows to what extreme Anti-Sai Activists are willing to go to smear Sathya Sai Baba and his students when they don't get a response to their vitriol and baseless accusations. Reinier relied on paranoia, speculation and presumption to base his belief that Sai Students were sexually abused.

(Reinier Van Der Sandt) ExBaba Webmaster's Email To Sai Students:
Referenced from: home.hetnet.nl/~ex-baba/kortnieuws/uitslag.html

25 March 2001

Dear Student,

I am the webmaster of a Dutch site, that explores the activities of Sai Baba.

You are receiving this email, because I am deeply concerned about the complaints against Baba, I have heard, that Sai Baba, your Avatar, is sexually molesting students and other male devotees, is this true?

Would you be honest in telling me whether this really happens or not?

I understand that you might have trouble in telling me, because I am aware that these things cannot be written so easily, especially when you are (or were) a student in Prasanthi Nilayam.

There are a few questions I’d like to ask, maybe you have heard them spread by other people too, and they made you shiver, but please, I am very serious, I don’t have a sick mind in asking you this:

Did you ever have an Interview with Baba?
Did he put his arms around you, just as lovers use to do?
Was there some kissing between you and Baba during this Interview?
Did Baba ever rub oil into your genitals?
Was there any kind of masturbation, and did you let him do this to you?
Did you gratify him orally?
Did you like what you were doing?
Was he gratifying you?
Did you like what he was doing, or not? Or did you think:
That it was necessary to let him do this to you, claiming that it helped to release your sexual tension, or that it helped to give you some ‘Spiritual Cleaning’?
Did Baba say not to mention anything to anyone about what had happened?
Do you have friends who may have had these experiences?
Have you ever heard of anyone, who has had such kind of treatment?
I should like to explain my modest point of view on these activities; even the slightest worse, putting his arms around you, or the kissing, is, in my opinion, not right, not even in India, not even done by Sai Baba in India. I can image that, in case of any disease, a doctor should investigate your genitals, but I think, all other cases in which this happens, are not ok.

Sexual activities like these, could be normal between lovers, these things may happen, but not when you are consulting Baba, in an so called Interview, where personal problems should be treated with, in your case, some extrasensory perception or some other form of New Age psychotherapy.

Let me play things open and explain what I am doing:

I have found four Baba schools on www.alumni.net, I am investigating two of them:

1. Sri Sathya Sai Higher Secondary School (21 addresses)

2. Sri Sathya Sai Institute Of Higher Learning (185 addresses, there are a few more, but the letter ’O’ on www.alumni.net didn’t work )

I have sent and email to all students, I received 22 answers, they were all very positive about Baba and his teachings and the general atmosphere in the Ashram, they are all convinced that there is no such thing as sexual abuse, my email bounced 4 times, means that I couldn’t reach four persons, so 184 students didn’t answer.

I hope that you will decide to e-mail about it. In that regard I want to let you know that, if necessary, help is being offered to you. I know some people, one of them is a school psychologist, that are willing to write, phone, or e-mail with you to help in painful situations.

Don’t be afraid, I won’t take advantage of your story, your email will be handled very discrete, and besides that, your name won’t ever be published, it is just that I’m trying to help, and to remind you, that all people in Holland are deeply concerned about your situation in the Ashram of Sai Baba in India.

Very, very nice greetings,

A Friend

XXX (Reinier Van Der Sandt)


Sai Students Respond To The Allegations:
The ExBaba Webmaster withheld the identities of these students (as he promised in his letter above). Reference to "XXX" refers to the ExBaba Webmaster (who withheld his name as well). These emails were obtained and published by a critic and defamer of Sathya Sai Baba. Consequently, the authenticity of these emails is vouched for by an Anti-Sai Activist himself:


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Email 01

Hi!

I'm sorry but all this information is false and so there is no evidence to give. I don't know why you believe all this crap. You people have no shame. I'm an ex-student and so is my brother and we have gone through nothing rubbish by Swami. Please stop all this non-sense talk.

Student


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Email 02

Hi,

All the allegations against Sri Sathya Sai Baba are baseless and are false. I was a student of Sri Sathya Sai Higher Secondary School. I know almost all the students in the School and the Institute as all of us lived in the same hostel. With the interaction I had with Baba and all the students, I can say with confidence that no such thing as sexual molestation happens in Prasanthi Nilayam. All this is pure blasphemy intended to defame Baba, the divine.

Thanks,

M.


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Email 03

It's NOT true. I studied there for 7 years and there is no such thing. I have 2 masters degrees from SSSIHL for which I paid nothing in the form of tuition fee or any other fee. I am a better man it's all because of the teaching of Sai Baba and my teachers at the university.

As a webmaster you should be able to understand the kind of facilities we had at our computer science lab and compare them with other universities. We had (in 1997) a DEC Alpha server and 3 Alpha work stations for just 9 students of our class. Each of these servers can support hundreds of users. Most of the professors we have are from IITs(India's premier technical institutes) and a few from well known universities in USA(Cornell etc.)

Regards,

N.


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Email 04

Dear fellow devotee,

This is really absurd. I do not know where you are getting this information from. Rumors always exist. In all cases these were started by some jealous people. I have studied at Prasanthi Nilayam from 1979-1984. There are always some students who spread these rumors to cover up their bad behavior. For example, a student whom I know quite well (he was in my class) was caught smoking in the college. The warden kicked him out of the college for smoking. When he left the college he started some silly rumor.

So my honest opinion is just ignore.

R.


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Email 05

Sairam XXX

Any way I appreciate that u asked frankly. I am one of the fortunate to know about saibaba what media is writing is just junk. there is nothing wrong happening in ashram. See few people when they do not get what they want they can go to any extent. why go so far take a couple who loved for years got married when they get divorce they say he/she is not good but till other day she/he was everything. just the media is creating hype which is junk. Swami (saibaba) takes care of everyone so well even my parents would have not taken care of me that well. If at all u are true to your profession go head and publish what I am telling see in this world people know only to speak bad about others they do not want good. when Jesus was on earth people crucified him but today there are billions of followers let us not make the same mistake. This mail is not structured what came to my mind I wrote it. Feel free if you want to know more.

with regards

and love

G.


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Email 06

Dear friend,

I was a student of Prasanthi Nilayam and I came out from there with an education not only in my field of specialization but also as a much better human being than I was before. I value what I obtained there and that is enough for me. I do not think I would be making an overstatement if I state these are the feelings echoing from the heart of every student who has come out of there.

Please be kind enough and refrain from sending me any more e-mails of this sort. Kindly also remove me from your mailing list.

A student


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Email 07

Dear Mr. XXX

I am glad you have sent me this mail.This indicates that you are seriously interested in knowing about Swami and not frivolous in believing hearsay's/rumors.

I have been in Prasanthi Nilayam for 7 years and know for sure that there were no such cases of molestations.

In fact,we felt more comfortable at Puttaparthi than any where else for the warm feeling of love and togetherness which only true family/friends can provide.

Regards

V.


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Email 08

Please,

This is not new to me. I have heard these stupid and dirty things before. The people who spread these things are mentally sick. May Baba shower his grace on them so that they can get rid of the sick mentality.

I have stayed in the ashram for three years. I had the chance to witness several miracles of Baba. He has cured many people. And rests assure that you are also having a very sick mentality. You are doing a great harm to yourself by sending this email around to each and every student on the list. Talking such things and spreading these words around is a big sin. As Baba says "No one can get rid of his or her Karma". You should stop sending emails immediately. There is no truth in such stories. Some sick person says this and another sick person like you trusts this and thus spreads this disease around. If you have time and energy please utilize this in spreading good thins around. Email stories which praise the almighty.

Certainly their are people around who speak like this about your religion. Wise ignore all this. Don't do all this. I am telling you this for your own benefit.

Sai Ram

S.


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Email 09

Dear sir.

Thank you for writing to us and clarifying things rather than keeping doubts within you.

I am a person who has known Swami since I was in my first grade that is past at least 19 years. I have studied in his Institute for about 7 years and in the time that I have spent there I can only say that such messages are but rumors and could be the act of people who are more concerned about the spirituality of others than their own.

Believe me, to us, Swami (as we lovingly call him) is more like a mother father brother sister teacher friend all put together and there is no one, no one, I tell you, in this world who can reciprocate your love in such a way.

We have heard of lots of Gods and saints come by and gone but Sai Baba is a living example. I am not a fanatic. I am not insisting people to pray to him or follow him but just think a person who has

1. build institutions throughout the country (with three main universities at Bangalore and Andhra Pradesh) offering FREE education

2. build two BIG Super Specialty hospitals at Puttaparthi and Bangalore

3. done a major Water Project providing clean drinking water to lakes of people

4. whose guidance has made highly qualified people like Doctors engineers to offer their services free

5. who has made people think about their duty towards society and made people in the Sri Sathya Sai Seva organization one of the biggest Non Government Organizations to be performing yeoman service to people through out the world.

All this and many more and the reason behind this is only one single person: Sai Baba. Do you think such feats can be done by people who do not have control over themselves ?

To convince others first one must convince oneself and believe me Sai Baba's conviction is like a mountain.

Rumors came and went by for even Jesus but his glory still remains.

If you need to swim, you need to first get into the water. In spirituality you first experience and then develop faith. Only in science you first observe for evidence and make the laws.

You need not believe in Sai Baba's divinity but can at least get inspired to help someone out of your earning daily?

So friend please do not have such doubts. I am seeing some more of my friends to write to you so that you can rest at peace.

Thank you

May God bless you

Love

K.


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Email 10

Hi,

Good morning! As I don't have enough time to answer all your questions, let me tell you this: "You ARE completely mistaken to get such negative ideas about the Ashram and more over about Sai Baba. I consider that the Ashram is the best place on the Earth and I did not face any situation or event which could even get me a remote doubt about the sanctity of the place and people there.

I have read your mail and your logic makes no sense to me. I am writing about your logic that went on like

"I have sent 90 emails, it is just possible for me to send ten emails a day from www.alumni.net, there are still 116 addresses to go, until now I received 8 answers from students, they were all very positive about Baba and his teachings and the general atmosphere in the Ashram, they are all convinced that there is no such thing as sexual abuse, so 82 students didn't answer, let us say that 60 persons are not interested - this is just a loose estimate -, so that leaves us to 22 individuals, that hesitate to respond because of an other reason, and yes, I have to be honest, my email bounced 4 times, so that leaves me to 18 persons that should have another reason for not responding my email."
First of all, all the students coming out of the SSSIHL are very well placed all over the busy world. Just because someone does not respond to your query, it gives no proof/disproof to any of your suppositions. For example, if I send some mail about some stupid stuff to all the presidents and/or prime ministers of all the countries, and do a survey like you are doing now, based on their not responding I can prove or disprove anything and everything in this world.

My point is that you must first know the basics of conducting a survey or poll. No logic in this great world accepts the "NO RESPONSE" as response "NO". There is lot of difference between these two. I think you and your organization will be better off if you take some time to think about what I wrote. I am not interested in hurting anyone. I don't need to prove/disprove anything to anyone. I am not doing that either. I care for you as a fellow being on this beautiful creation of GOD. Be happy and don't waste your precious time. If you still want to spend time in this poll, do it in the right manner.

I request you that you please do not send me an email regarding any of your future polls like this, because I may not respond in which case you may get a chance to mis-interpret my "No response".

Thanks for patient reading.

Have a great day

A.


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Email 11

Dear sir or who ever u are,

I appreciate ur attempt to explore the activities of Bhagawan Sri Satya Sai baba. But May I know with what capacity are u doing this, did someone personally complain to u.

I have the student of the ashram for a very longtime and know the place and people very well. I have acquired my knowledge and meaning for life only in the ashram. For me there is nobody more than Bhagawan and praying to him is the least I can do everyday to remember him.

Prasanthi Nilayam is abode of peace both for students and devotees. I think since you are getting such spiral misleading ideas it is better you visit the place and get some peace of mind. Only Bhagawan can help u in attaining peace of mind.

Dear sir, I have had lots of interviews with Baba and many a times a long chat but never had anything of such which u have mentioned happened to me. My sincere suggestion is before u start doing this exploration u better visit the place and have blessings of Baghawan and you might feel that the entire exercise you are doing is a futile one. I pray to Bhagawan to help you in taking right path in this short period of what you called life.

Sai ram


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Email 12

Dear Sir

Sai Baba is god ...... All that has been projected, are all false allegations, do not consider them, only place in the world which is pure, serene, is Prasanthi Nilayam ......

greetings

Best Regards

S.


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Email 13

Dear friend,

I was a student at Sathya Sai Institute at Prasanthi Nilayam and have had interviews with Baba and have friends who were very close to baba.To me Sai Baba is god incarnate on earth and I have not felt or heard from any real sources the allegations that are being wired over the net as well as the allegations raised in your email. Even I was disturbed deeply with the allegations on the net and did my own enquiry. I even contacted some of the students whose name had appeared in the net. Nothing of this has ever happened according to my enquiry.Some of the stories are circulated falsely under the name of some students who were close to Baba and these students have no clue of the news. I can give you names if you need. Some of the news circulated in the net is totally false and I know it because I was there at the time period mentioned and no such thing had ever happened. Do not be carried away by these wild allegations. Sai Baba is god incarnate on earth and I have had personnel first hand experience of his Godhead. If u have any more questions feel free to ask.

Love and SaiRams

M.


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Email 14

Hi XXX

By way of introduction , let me say I am K. and a student of mathematics. This intro is to help that I have a very curious mind and a very logical and scientific thought process.

Just to put things in a different perspective, I would like to quote Benjamin Disraeli who said, there are 3 kinds of lies

" LIES , DAMNED LIES and STATISTICS"

So, I would suggest that your thought that your rationale of following the number of people who have not responded to your mail , is not conclusive as proof in itself that ur statements are true. Do you have any qualitative proof on this topic?

Secondly , in this fast moving world , god knows how many people have dismissed your mail as yet another junk mail from a jobless , faceless guy that they do not know. God knows how many people even read it in the first place.

Sorry to say that your theory does not hold water.

Waiting for your rebuttal

Sincerely

K.


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Email 15

Dear Mr. XXX

First of all, I should commend you as an individual for having come out in the open with your doubts. That, I think, is an indicator of your willingness to form an opinion based on your findings rather than on hearsay.

Coming to your doubts, I would like to make one thing clear - Sai Baba, or Swami as we call him, is an Avatar. By definition, an Avatar is a highly-evolved being and will not, repeat, will not indulge in such a profane thing as sexual molestation. Why, any average human being will not indulge in such acts. What to speak of an Avatar! I speak this with the knowledge that I have gained from close interaction with Swami.

I can understand your doubts - they are caused by a number of reports that have started coming now, on the Net, and elsewhere. I consider this to be a test of your faith in Him. In case you have any doubts regarding Baba's character, then, as a webmaster you have the added responsibility of finding out the truth for yourself. If you approach Swami with an open mind, you will find that such rumors are totally baseless because He is the very embodiment of Divinity.

I would recommend a visit to Puttaparthi to see things with your own eyes. I would be more than willing to help you in this regard.

The joy He gives to people living thousands of miles away - even in countries like the embattled Croatia - is just incredible. If He is not Divinity, I ask you, who or what is?

Regards,

M.


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Email 16

What is ur intent? I have been a swami's student for the last 7 years. Do tell me ur understanding of how a God man should be.

tell me

S.


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Email 17

Hello Mr. Sick XXX

My words can not change you or help you get out of the ugly and junk pot you are trying to stick your mind in.

I strongly recommend that you visit Baba once and I am sure Swami will put your sick mind at ease.

Without proper information, you have no right to stand on an intelligent pedestal and attempt to pose such stupid & outrightly junk questions at us.

Baba doesn't need my vocal response to defend Him : He knows our hearts and we know His. You do not even deserve an answer or a response from any of us to your despicable emails.

But though I dont believe I can alter your filthy mind, I hope you stop sending these emails to my brothers and sisters. If you have the slightest guts and have even the slightest intelligence, go to Puttaparthi and give urself a week to get a true experience of the Divinity.

Help yourself, Even if Baba forgives you, I can not !

B.


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Email 18

Thanks for ur concern, there's nothing the way u r thinking is happening at Puttaparthi, so please dont bother anymore and next time before you begin your investigation from your office or your drawing room at your residence u better go to the place and start looking at what you want to find, you would get all your answers rather than trying to make your own stories or presumptions. That would help you a lot, I believe, and for Gods sake please stop bothering us about it and mind your own business.

your

well wisher.


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Email 19

Hello Mr. XXX

I am the recipient of the mail you have sent from Alumni.Net.

There is something I would like to know from you. If there is no problem can you tell me the name of the website you are webmaster of.

Have you ever visited India and in particular Prasanthi Nilayam. Have you had the opportunity of observing how Baba conducts himself.

If so I would like to ask you do you believe in what you have written in this letter. and if you are so concerned and want to do good for others my advise would be that you make a visit and see for yourself. Even earlier there was mention of these kind of things by some people I think in some of the magazines in India itself but I feel all this is done to gain some publicity. In my opinion you should go and see the place for yourself and then go about asking questions.

To answer your questions:

1. Yes I did have an opportunity to have an interview with Baba, but nothing like what you have mentioned has been observed or experienced by me.

2. Yes he does put his arm around you but only to pat you on the back or shoulder not for any other reason.

Hope this clarifies your doubts.

J.


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Email 20

Dear Friend.

Though I was a student I never had any interviews with Baba which eliminates all the questions you asked. But it certainly brought many facts of life to think about. But, I will not hesitate to say that my life is better now than it would have been.

Happy questing.

Another friend.


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Email 21

Hello XXX,

I never heard of such things happening! And, I just ignore what ever propaganda that's going on against Swami.

I have enjoyed my stay as a student in Prasanthi Nilayam. I cherish those few years of my life very much. Even as old student I make regular visits to Prasanthi Nilayam to have His darshan. Many people told me that they were against Baba and they don't believe Him, and some try to get into argument with me (which is never invited by me)...My only answer to all those people is, "I did not ask you to believe Him.. I appreciate if you let me live in my beliefs. I try to improve myself by practicing (in what ever little way I can) Swami's teachings.

If you are not a believer/follower/devotee (what ever it is..) of Swami, please do not send any thing against Him to me.

I get hurt.

If you are a devotee of Swami, please never bother the crab that's going on against Him.

With Best Regards,

S.


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Email 22

Dear Friend,

Sairam!

Well, to really know Sai Baba one has to see, feel and experience Him personally. One cannot... never know Who He really is....He is Beyond our Mind... So I suggest that You should make a visit to India and see.. meet Him. I think then your doubts and queries will be answered.

I think nobody Will ever be able to clear your doubt Except Sai Baba.....

Thank you.

Sincerely yours,

V.

[atma]

Wie het boek van CONNY LARSSON wil lezen "Behind the Mask of the Clown" kan mij even een PMtje sturen en dan mail ik het toe, uiteraard heb ik toestemming van Conny om het boek legaal digitaal te verspreiden aan een ieder die het weten wil!

Klik hier om de link te bekijken

[Ganapathi Das]

Veel mensen beweren dat afvallers die sb de rug toe keren dat voor geld doen.

De mensen die geld krijgen voor leugens dat zijn de personen die de laster tegen spreken, zoals de studenten hierboven.

Je zit nog behoorlijk onder de plak Atma, droom lekker verder!

Maar weet dat je mede verantwoordelijk bent voor ieder slachtoffer!

Weet je trouwens wat Puttaparti betekent, Putta is Spaans voor Hoer en Party weten we natuurlijk allemaal, Hoerenfeestje dus, sb Asura van het eerste uur, de echte AntiChristus is ontmaskerd!

GPD

[atma]

de echte AntiChristus is ontmaskerd!

Broeder, dit zegt denk ik voldoende over jou. Christus is het bewustzijn in allen, er kan niet iets niet Christus Zijn.

Leef in Liefde.

Atma

[Ganapathi Das]

Christus is het bewustzijn in allen, er kan niet iets niet Christus Zijn

Nog een keer voor Atma, lees het eens goed deze keer:

Door Ds.Canon William V. Rauscher,

Ik weet dat hij een astraal wezen is, of iets dergelijks; een Deva (goddelijk wezen) of een Asura (duivel).
Zoals het in Thessalonicenzen 2 in het Nieuwe Testament over de antichrist wordt beschreven, is heel goed op hem van toepassing.
Paulus (Saul van Tarsus, leerling van Gamaliël), kijkt in zijn brieven blijkbaar naar het eeuwige nu. Ik word nu niet hysterisch, want Antichrist heeft veel betekenissen. ‘In de komst van de Wetteloze is de kracht van Satan zichtbaar (ik vertaal dit als Ego); zijn verschijning zal vergezeld gaan van allerlei machtsvertoon, bedrieglijke tekens en wonderen’. (Thess.2:10). ‘Hij zal plaatsnemen in de Tempel van God en beweren God te zijn’.(Thess.2:4). Al het bovenstaande heeft Sai Baba gezegd en gedaan!!!!! Telkens weer. Zelfs in de verjaardagstoespraak van 23-11-99 zegt hij, dat men zich niet moet schamen door te zeggen dat zij naar Puttaparthi gaan om God te zien! Combineer dat met zijn bewezen valse materialisatie-wonderen op video, en alles klopt!! ‘Het ware syndroom van de ware gelovige’. ‘De behoefte om te geloven in valse wonderen gaat niet slechts boven de logica uit, maar naar het schijnt, zelfs ook boven het gezond verstand’.

Ganapathi Das

[atma]

Waar ik op doelde is het 'feit' dat jij 'gelooft' in een anti-christ, lijkt me veelzeggend. Vandaar mijn opmerking: Christus is het bewustzijn in allen, er kan niet iets niet Christus Zijn.

Atma

[Animal]

Vandaar mijn opmerking: Christus is het bewustzijn in allen, er kan niet iets niet Christus Zijn.
Atma

Ik ben iets dat niet christus is. Mijn bewustzijn is van mij en niet van allen of van christus. Je mag je christus bij je houden.