heeck schreef: ↑25 dec 2023 13:05 Of die zoete koek wel klopt is een te onderzoeken feit dat precies die rigide vasthoudendheid vereist die jij zo laatdunkend in het zonnetje zet.
Rigiditeit is ook nog iets dat we beiden kennen, want hoe vaster en bevredigender het geloof in zoete koek, hoe minder de neiging aan twijfel is, dat moet je herkennen.
Ik vind het grappig dat de uitlating van Kuitert *2),"Al het spreken over boven, komt van beneden", ook op het geloof in een lijfloos functionerend bewustzijn past:
"Al het spreken over lijfloos bewustzijn, komt van het bewustzijn binnen een lijf.".
Hieronder een link naar een tamelijk lang artikel, ook nog in het Engels dat ik niet bij voorbaat in zijn geheel ga vertalen.
Over de auteur:https://archives.centerforinquiry.org/s ... believing/https://pointofinquiry.org/2006/07/barry_beyerstein_the_sins_of_big_pharma/ schreef:Barry Beyerstein is Professor of Psychology and a member of the Brain Behaviour Laboratory at Simon Fraser University. His research has involved many areas related to his primary scholarly interests: brain mechanisms of perception and consciousness and the effects of drugs on the brain and mind. His work in these areas and his interest in the philosophy and history of science have also led him to be skeptical of many occult and New Age claims.
Anomalous Perceptual Experiences: Believing is Seeing is Believing
Je haalt hier weer een figuur aan, wat typerend is voor jou als "voorzitter van stichting skepp" natuurlijk.
Ik heb je tamelijk lange artikel geeneens bekeken, interesseert me niet, De wiki van die Beyerstein heb ik diagonaal is bekeken.Barry L Beyerstein (May 19, 1947 – June 25, 2007) was a scientific skeptic and professor of psychology at Simon Fraser University in Burnaby, British Columbia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Beyerstein
Onbeduidend figuur voor mij, type Dawkins.
Maar ik zie wel waarom je hem aanhaalt effe googlend op "Barry Beyerstein vs Stanislav Grof"...
Datum van het artikel staat er niet bij maar het moet al lang geleden zijn want Janov en zijn "The Primal Scream'" therapie zijn al lang achterhaald en afgevoerd want het gaat er niet om te liggen schreeuwen en krijsen in een poging een trauma te herbeleven....The Skeptical Inquirer Inquires About Primal Therapy
The Skeptical Inquirer is a magazine which reports critical investigations and debunkings of paranormal and pseudoscientific events and subjects. In the past I have always found myself in their cheering section, shouting hurray as they led the charge against beliefs in Astrology, Para-psychology, Channeling, Haunted Houses, Crystal Power, UFOology, ESP, Alien Encounters, Fortune Telling, Tarot Cards, Creationism, Dowsing, Palmistry, Biorhythms, etc. You get the idea. And hey, maybe even some of your beliefs are listed above!
Anyhow, everything was going along well until the day I received an issue in which the cover featured a lead article by a Dr. Barry Beyerstein, a Canadian Psychologist, entitled The Brain and Consciousness. The article was critical of the theories of (you guessed it!) Arthur Janov. Writings of Thomas Verny, Stanislav Grof and others were also criticized in that article. The attacks were the usual ones. The immature fetal brain could not store such early memories, patients in primal felt what they were expected to feel, etc.
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By John A. Speyrer
http://primal-page.com/skeptic.htm
Wat Barry Beyerstein betreft, die is al 16 jaar dood en de inmiddels 92 jarige Stanislav Grof's staat met zijn werk en onderzoek in de huidige renaissance van de psychedelia weer helemaal in de schijnwerpers.The Primal Scream
Summary
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This book gives an account of the development of Primal Therapy. The book starts with an account of a group therapy session in 1967, during which a young man (Danny Wilson) underwent some kind of emotional catharsis during the therapy session. The young man was encouraged by Janov to call out for his mommy and daddy, which he did, only to fall into involuntary convulsions. After which, the young man announced "I can feel", and he then had some kind of emotional resolution.
In the remainder of the book, Janov develops a general theory of neurosis. Janov claims that neurosis is caused by repressed emotional pain from childhood trauma, and can be cured by reliving and expressing. Janov claims in the book that all neurosis is caused by repressed childhood emotional trauma, and that reliving is the only effective cure which really addresses the root cause of the problem.
The book contains numerous testimonials but little scientific evidence. The book is based upon Janov's theorizing after experimenting with his patients from 1967 to 1970.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Primal_Scream
