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Dit filmpje kwam ik tegen tijdens het surfen en het deed een aantal vragen oproepen.
De meneer in dit filmpje die de bekeringen verricht legt uit dat het allemaal truuk is, maar ik vraag mij dan af in hoeverre het niet truuk is bij 'echte' bekeringen?
Hoe beinvloedbaar ben je als persoon als een suggestie zeer sterk is?
Of is die beinvloedbaarheid afhankelijk van aanwezige twijfel op het gebied van wel of niet aanvaarden van een 'god'?
Ikzelf vind vooral de massale bijeenkomsten die men ziet tijdens kerkdiensten, gebedsgenezingen etc. sterk rieken naar massahypnose.
Wat zijn jullie ideëen hierover?
Bekering hypnose?
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De achtste hemel is het atheïstische inzicht dat de werkelijkheid weliswaar hard is maar wel de werkelijkheid en die is zoveel waardevoller dan alle mooie, verzachtende sprookjes bij elkaar. (Gerard)
Geleid wordt enkel hij die zichzelf niet gevonden heeft. (Rereformed)
Geleid wordt enkel hij die zichzelf niet gevonden heeft. (Rereformed)
Hallo Erik,
Ik heb een document van Dick Sutphen, een hypnotiseur die het fenomeen heeft onderzocht. Hij schrijft o.a. het volgende:
How Revivalist Preachers Work
If you'd like to see a revivalist preacher at work, there are probably several in your city. Go to the church or tent early and sit in the rear, about three-quarters of the way back. Most likely repetitive music will be played while the people come in for the service. A repetitive beat, ideally ranging from 45 to 72 beats per minute (a rhythm close to the beat of the human heart), is very hypnotic and can generate an eyes-open altered state of consciousness in a very high percentage of people. And, once you are in an alpha state, you are at least 25 times as suggestible as you would be in full beta onsciousness. The music is probably the same for every service, or incorporates the same beat, and many of the people will go into an altered state almost immediately upon entering the sanctuary. Subconsciously, they recall their state of mind from previous services and respond according to the post-hypnotic programming. Watch the people waiting for the service to begin. Many will exhibit external signs of trance--body relaxation and slightly dilated eyes. Often, they begin swaying back and forth with their hands in the air while sitting in their chairs. Next, the assistant pastor will probably come out. He usually speaks with a pretty good "voice roll."
The "Voice Roll" Technique
A "voice roll" is a patterned, paced style used by hypnotists when inducing a trance. It is also used by many lawyers, several of whom are highly trained hypnotists, when they desire to entrench a point firmly in the minds of the jurors. A voice roll can sound as if the speaker were talking to the beat of a metronome or it may sound as though he were emphasizing every word in a monotonous, patterned style. The words will usually be delivered at the rate of 45 to 60 beats per minute, maximizing the hypnotic effect.
The Build-up Process: Inducing Altered States
Now the assistant pastor begins the "build-up" process. He induces an altered state of consciousness and/or begins to generate the excitement and the expectations of the audience. Next, a group of young women in "sweet and pure" chiffon dresses might come out to sing a song. Gospel songs are great for building excitement and involvement. In the middle of the song, one of the girls might be "smitten by the spirit" and fall down or react as if possessed by the Holy Spirit. This very effectively increases the intensity in the room. At this point, hypnosis and conversion tactics are being mixed. And the result is the audience's attention span is now totally focused upon the communication while the environment becomes more exciting or tense.
Assured Continuation: Fleecing the Flock
Right about this time, when an eyes-open mass-induced alpha mental state has been achieved, they will usually pass the collection plate or basket. In the background, a 45-beat-per-minute voice roll from the assistant preacher might exhort, "Give to God...Give to God...Give to God...." And the audience does give. God may not get the money, but his already-wealthy representative will.
Bonding by Fear and Suggestion
Next, the fire-and-brimstone preacher will come out. He induces fear and increases the tension by talking about "the devil," "going to hell," or the forthcoming Armegeddon. In the last such rally I attended, the preacher talked about the blood that would soon be running out of every faucet in the land. He was also obsessed with a "bloody axe of God," which everyone had seen hanging above the pulpit the previous week. I have no doubt that everyone saw it--the power of suggestion given to hundreds of people in hypnosis assures that at least 10 to 25 percent would see whatever he suggested they see.
Testimony: Creating Community Spirit
In most revivalist gatherings, "testifying" or "witnessing" usually follows the fear-based sermon. People from the audience come up on stage and relate their stories. "I was crippled and now I can walk!" "I had arthritis and now it's gone!" It is a psychological manipulation that works. After listening to numerous case histories of miraculous healings, the average guy in the audience with a minor problem is sure he can be healed. The room is charged with fear, guilt, intense excitement, and expectations.
A Game in Which the Rules Keep Changing
The techniques and staging will vary from church to church. Many use "speaking in tongues" to generate catharsis in some while the spectacle creates intense excitement in the observers. The use of hypnotic techniques by religions is sophisticated, and professionals are assuring that they become even more effective. A man in Los Angeles is designing, building, and reworking a lot of churches around the country. He tells ministers what they need and how to use it. This man's track record indicates that the congregation and the monetary income will double if the minister follows his instructions. He admits that about 80 percent of his efforts are in the sound system and lighting. Powerful sound and the proper use of lighting are of primary importance in inducing an altered state of consciousnes--I've been using them for years in my own seminars. However, my participants are fully aware of the process and what they can expect as a result of their participation.
Ik heb een document van Dick Sutphen, een hypnotiseur die het fenomeen heeft onderzocht. Hij schrijft o.a. het volgende:
How Revivalist Preachers Work
If you'd like to see a revivalist preacher at work, there are probably several in your city. Go to the church or tent early and sit in the rear, about three-quarters of the way back. Most likely repetitive music will be played while the people come in for the service. A repetitive beat, ideally ranging from 45 to 72 beats per minute (a rhythm close to the beat of the human heart), is very hypnotic and can generate an eyes-open altered state of consciousness in a very high percentage of people. And, once you are in an alpha state, you are at least 25 times as suggestible as you would be in full beta onsciousness. The music is probably the same for every service, or incorporates the same beat, and many of the people will go into an altered state almost immediately upon entering the sanctuary. Subconsciously, they recall their state of mind from previous services and respond according to the post-hypnotic programming. Watch the people waiting for the service to begin. Many will exhibit external signs of trance--body relaxation and slightly dilated eyes. Often, they begin swaying back and forth with their hands in the air while sitting in their chairs. Next, the assistant pastor will probably come out. He usually speaks with a pretty good "voice roll."
The "Voice Roll" Technique
A "voice roll" is a patterned, paced style used by hypnotists when inducing a trance. It is also used by many lawyers, several of whom are highly trained hypnotists, when they desire to entrench a point firmly in the minds of the jurors. A voice roll can sound as if the speaker were talking to the beat of a metronome or it may sound as though he were emphasizing every word in a monotonous, patterned style. The words will usually be delivered at the rate of 45 to 60 beats per minute, maximizing the hypnotic effect.
The Build-up Process: Inducing Altered States
Now the assistant pastor begins the "build-up" process. He induces an altered state of consciousness and/or begins to generate the excitement and the expectations of the audience. Next, a group of young women in "sweet and pure" chiffon dresses might come out to sing a song. Gospel songs are great for building excitement and involvement. In the middle of the song, one of the girls might be "smitten by the spirit" and fall down or react as if possessed by the Holy Spirit. This very effectively increases the intensity in the room. At this point, hypnosis and conversion tactics are being mixed. And the result is the audience's attention span is now totally focused upon the communication while the environment becomes more exciting or tense.
Assured Continuation: Fleecing the Flock
Right about this time, when an eyes-open mass-induced alpha mental state has been achieved, they will usually pass the collection plate or basket. In the background, a 45-beat-per-minute voice roll from the assistant preacher might exhort, "Give to God...Give to God...Give to God...." And the audience does give. God may not get the money, but his already-wealthy representative will.
Bonding by Fear and Suggestion
Next, the fire-and-brimstone preacher will come out. He induces fear and increases the tension by talking about "the devil," "going to hell," or the forthcoming Armegeddon. In the last such rally I attended, the preacher talked about the blood that would soon be running out of every faucet in the land. He was also obsessed with a "bloody axe of God," which everyone had seen hanging above the pulpit the previous week. I have no doubt that everyone saw it--the power of suggestion given to hundreds of people in hypnosis assures that at least 10 to 25 percent would see whatever he suggested they see.
Testimony: Creating Community Spirit
In most revivalist gatherings, "testifying" or "witnessing" usually follows the fear-based sermon. People from the audience come up on stage and relate their stories. "I was crippled and now I can walk!" "I had arthritis and now it's gone!" It is a psychological manipulation that works. After listening to numerous case histories of miraculous healings, the average guy in the audience with a minor problem is sure he can be healed. The room is charged with fear, guilt, intense excitement, and expectations.
A Game in Which the Rules Keep Changing
The techniques and staging will vary from church to church. Many use "speaking in tongues" to generate catharsis in some while the spectacle creates intense excitement in the observers. The use of hypnotic techniques by religions is sophisticated, and professionals are assuring that they become even more effective. A man in Los Angeles is designing, building, and reworking a lot of churches around the country. He tells ministers what they need and how to use it. This man's track record indicates that the congregation and the monetary income will double if the minister follows his instructions. He admits that about 80 percent of his efforts are in the sound system and lighting. Powerful sound and the proper use of lighting are of primary importance in inducing an altered state of consciousnes--I've been using them for years in my own seminars. However, my participants are fully aware of the process and what they can expect as a result of their participation.
Hoi lanier,
Bedankt voor je bijdrage, zeer interessant om te lezen, en het bevestigd mijn idee over 'bekeringen' in zeker de massale diensten.
Daarbij komt geregeld glossolalie (klanktaal of spreken in tongen) voor waar verderop in het artikel ook over wordt gesproken en wat de hypnotische staat van de mensen versterkt.
Ik ga mij hier nog eens wat verder in verdiepen.
Bedankt voor je bijdrage, zeer interessant om te lezen, en het bevestigd mijn idee over 'bekeringen' in zeker de massale diensten.
Dit is iets wat je ook terugziet bij vele sjamanen en dergelijke die in een trance raken en daarna in contact met de 'geesten' staan.A repetitive beat, ideally ranging from 45 to 72 beats per minute (a rhythm close to the beat of the human heart), is very hypnotic and can generate an eyes-open altered state of consciousness in a very high percentage of people. And, once you are in an alpha state, you are at least 25 times as suggestible as you would be in full beta onsciousness.
Daarbij komt geregeld glossolalie (klanktaal of spreken in tongen) voor waar verderop in het artikel ook over wordt gesproken en wat de hypnotische staat van de mensen versterkt.
Ik ga mij hier nog eens wat verder in verdiepen.
De achtste hemel is het atheïstische inzicht dat de werkelijkheid weliswaar hard is maar wel de werkelijkheid en die is zoveel waardevoller dan alle mooie, verzachtende sprookjes bij elkaar. (Gerard)
Geleid wordt enkel hij die zichzelf niet gevonden heeft. (Rereformed)
Geleid wordt enkel hij die zichzelf niet gevonden heeft. (Rereformed)
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tsjok45
Het is het vrouwelijke MM=64 tempo voor de kwartnoot dat standaard wordt gebruikt door de mama-bata-drum45 to 72 beats per minute
64 = 4x16 ( viermaal de drumnamen van de l6 goden ( 8 goden (pappa's), 8 godinnen ( mamma's ) van de yoruba schepping -)
64 = 8x8 ( 8 keren de drum- roepnaam van oppergod oladumare bestaande uit 5 accenten over een stramien van 8 beats )
noot ;
(64 komt zelfs voor in de "gedrumde "(kodo ) versies van de I 'tsjing
64 = 4x4x4 is de basisverdeling van de indische teental jor (bepaald basis raga -rythm) op de tabla ) )
of het mannelijke MM= 72 tempo voor de kwartnoot uit te voeren door de papa drum
72 = 3x24 ( 3 maal de drumnaam vande oorlogsgod shangoo bestaandeuit 3 accenten over 24 beats ... )
Beide MM worden alleen of samen gespeeld in basso continuo[/ben ]als basisreferentie en steun van het polyrythme ....
in de haitiaanse voodoo en cubaanse santeria ceremonies , religieuze heilige drum orkesten en bij de uitvoering van geheime en heilige basis ryhtmes ( =256 heilige "Idu Ilu" rythmes )ter oproeping van de geesten -goden (orisha's ) of hatiaanse "divine horses" en heilig-erotische 'riders " -->maar bijvoorbeeld ook in de onverbloemd erotisch geladen oude missiispi blues "CC(of easy ) rider " ) ...
en met de expliciete bedoeling "trance " op te wekken --> wat door deze religies
wordt gelijkgesteld met de (heilige ) "geest " die bezit neemt van de in tranche verkerende gelovigen (meestal vrouwen ) en doorheen hen " spreekt " ....
Deze " diepe trance" opwekkende drum- tradities zijn zeer effektief zeker omdat ze worden vergezeld van uitputtende dansen ( want verbonden met de genotscentra in de hersenen ) en eventueel de inname van drugs ... vandaar dat bijina alle westerse erediensten , lange tijd de "duivelse "drums hebben verboden ....maar die duiken nu overal weer op in de ( afrikaanse en latino- )worldchurch ( inclusief gebedsgenezingen ) en de charismatische bewegingen : wat in feite allemaal nieuwe syncretische godsdiensten en secten zijn, gebaseerd op tranche en bewustzijnsverschuivingen
P;s.
Ik heb deze informatie uit de eerste hand van een cubaanse yoruba babalowo
Zeer interessante info Tsjok, mijn dank voor uw bijdrage!
De achtste hemel is het atheïstische inzicht dat de werkelijkheid weliswaar hard is maar wel de werkelijkheid en die is zoveel waardevoller dan alle mooie, verzachtende sprookjes bij elkaar. (Gerard)
Geleid wordt enkel hij die zichzelf niet gevonden heeft. (Rereformed)
Geleid wordt enkel hij die zichzelf niet gevonden heeft. (Rereformed)