The End of Christianity - John W. Loftus

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The End of Christianity - John W. Loftus

Bericht door PietV. » 02 okt 2011 16:42

Een gekaapte recensie. Het boek heb ik namelijk niet gelezen. De titel en naam zeggen genoeg!

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The End of Christianity

In this successor volume to his critically acclaimed first anthology, The Christian Delusion: Why Faith Fails, John Loftus—a former minister and now a leading atheist spokesperson—has assembled a stellar group of respected scholars to continue the critique of Christianity begun in the first volume. The contributors include Victor Stenger, Robert Price, Hector Avalos, Richard Carrier, Keith Parsons, David Eller, and others. Loftus is the author of Why I Became an Atheist: A Former Preacher Rejects Christianity. Taken together, the Loftus trilogy poses formidable challenges to claims for the rationality of the Christian faith.

The first part considers the wildly improbable nature of basic Christian tenets; the lack of agreement among diverse Christian sects regarding the essential Christian message; and a counter argument to the popular Christian claim that it was incredible that the Christian faith arose if it wasn't true in the first place.

The second part analyzes the role of ancient Near Eastern myth in the creation of the Bible, revealing that the image of God depicted there is a projection of evolving human needs during the Iron Age beginning with polytheism.

In the third part, the contributors critique the Christian doctrines of the atonement, hell, and the resurrection.

The final part considers the incompatibility of religion and science, reviews claims for intelligent design and life after death, and advances the proposition that science can help discover morality.

Students and scholars with an interest in the philosophy of religion will find this compilation of incisive critical essays to be intellectually stimulating and deeply thought-provoking.

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"This book is well worth reading. I am happy to endorse it. Initially, I was concerned that it was a rehash of other works or ideas but found it refreshingly informative and challenging. I am pretty well read and educated in the field and felt I was learning much of the time, or getting a new and interesting angle on an old idea. The creative ideas explored by the authors show how little Christianity has to offer our culture. Indeed, it is time for it to end."
— Darrel W. Ray, Ed.D, an organizational psychologist and author of The God Virus: How Religion Infects Our Lives and Culture

"No collection better demonstrates how taking Christianity seriously reveals its all too human origin. This superb, often witty, and exceedingly well-researched collection explains how early Christianity is only a pale resemblance of any of the diverse Christian sects today. As well, the authors reveal how vastly improbable Christian dogmas are: such as the notion that a god designed the universe; that life replete with personal identity continues after death; that hell represents divine justice; and the claim that morality is exclusively Christian. Overall, very sobering for Christians, and so wonderfully delightful for the rest of us."
— Malcolm Murray, PhD., Associate Professor of Philosophy at the University of Prince Edward Island, and author of The Atheist's Primer

"Like everything else, religions evolve under pressure. The cultural environment for Christianity is currently as rigorous and demanding as ever. Perhaps the 'End of Christianity' should take the form of extinction, as this book's authors portend. At the very least Christianity's theological defense mechanisms are proven inadequate by the sharpest set of intellectual criticisms found under the cover of a single volume. The end of Christianity cannot be predicted, but it can be helped along by a careful reading of this tremendously useful book."
— John Shook, PhD, Director of Education at the Center for Inquiry in Amherst, NY, and author of The God Debates: A 21st Century Guide

"Should Christianity end? I think not. But unthinking Christianity definitely should. For that reason I am grateful to the authors of this outstanding collection of essays."
— Randal Rauser, Ph.D., Associate Professor of Historical Theology, Taylor Seminary, Edmonton, Canada, and author of the book You're Not As Crazy As I Think: Dialogue in a World of Loud Voices and Hardened Opinions

"The End of Christianity reads like a family reunion which brings together the family of disbelieving intellectuals that we've grown to love and respect. The stories that form the great narrative of the history of unbelief find in this book fresh voices with new and exciting angles. Loftus and his friends annihilate the Christian Goliath with their disputatious sling shots. The reader will probably hope that believers will not shy away from this text if only so that Loftus will soon publish yet another exciting anthology."
— Johnnie Terry is an instructor in the Philosophy department at Sierra College, California, where he wrote and regularly teaches an Introduction to Atheism course.

"A blurb does not do this fascinating book justice with its beefy arguments as well as tasty tidbits of information all geared to show that when it comes to 'God talk' and the 'revealed religion' known as Christianity, the questions outnumber the certainties. And though Christianity and religion in general will certainly endure long enough for John Loftus to edit additional works, that sort of blessing does not appear to be one for which some Christians will be eager to thank God."
— Edward T. Babinski, editor of Leaving the Fold: Testimonies of Former Fundamentalists, and author of the chapter, "The Cosmology of the Bible" in The Christian Delusion

"The Christian Delusion is the first book I give to anyone who wants to understand why I am no longer a Christian. Loftus and company have returned with The End of Christianity, which will now be the second book I give to anyone who wants to read a substantive case against Christian faith."
— Luke Meuhlhauser of the popular blog Common Sense Atheism
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Bericht door PietV. » 02 okt 2011 16:54

Op Amazon stond 1 recensie. Deze is gedetailleerder en wil ik de lezers niet onthouden.
By James from Scotland - See all my reviews
This review is from: The End of Christianity (Paperback)
May the force of sceptical logic from these masters of the Bibleverse set you free, then you will be free indeed! The truth calls out to those living in darkness, come out from under the false image of divinity into the light of reason. These voices interpret the Bible honestly and declare checkmate on the phantom of its opera. There is nothing to fear. The one who claimed to offer peace but in reality gave a cruicifying burden is no more. Hell was the log in Jesus eye.
The chapters are:
1.By David Eller: Christianity evolving: On the origins or Christian Species
2.By Richard Carrier: Christianity's success was not incredible
3.By John Loftus: Christianity is Wildly Improbable
4 By Hector Avalos: Why Biblical studies must end
5 By Jaco Gericke: Can God exist if Yahweh doesn't?
6 By Varlerie Tarico: God's emotions: Why the Biblical God is hopelessly human
7 By Ken Pulliam: The absurdity of the Atonement
8 By Matt McCormick: The Salem witch trials and the evidence for the resurrection
9 By Robert Price: Explaining the Resurrection without Recourse to miracle
10 By Keith Parsons: Hell: Christianitiy's most damnable doctrine
11 By David Eller: Is religion compatable with science?
12 By Richard Carrier: Neither life not the universe appear Intelligently designed
13 By Victor Stenger : Life after death: Examining the evidence
14 By Richard Carrier: Moral facts naturally exist ( and science could find them)

Behold rational thought stands at the door and knocks, who so ever accepts it will be saved from internal delusion.
I think Ch 10 can be summarized: A morally perfect God wouldn't do a cruel and unjust thing like sending people to eternal suffering, a competent God wouldn't have let a hell come into existence, a good & loving God wouldn't let the world exist after Adam & Eve if most were doomed. On p242 Parsons notes that C.S. Lewis in his 1940 book, 'The problem of pain' was aware of many valid objections to the doctrine of hell. 1 The punishments are purely retributive and therefore cruel. 2 Eternal punishment for transitory sin is unjust. 3 The punishments of hell are too severe to be just 5. God who desires the salvation of all is defeated when a soul is lost.On p233 he writes that Charles Darwin was a trained theologian and thought Hell was a damnable doctrine. [I think that if you weren't afraid of going there then you would agree with those objections, but fear makes people like Lewis bend their thinking to try defend it] p 234 The dogma of hell is rationally and morally indefensible
Valerie Tarico p162 encourages people to value honesty, integrity and truth seeking
Hector Avalos p129 inspite of his confrontational chapter title thinks that Biblical studies should be retained to help people move towards a post scriptural society. He suggests that 99% of the Bible would not be missed. I get the point but I think that the Bible will always be valuable as an excercise in Higher criticism- it is important to be able to explain why is ain't necessarily so. It will help people to stay grounded if they know the history of religion & philosophy. I have accepted, as John Loftus suggests, that the Bible supernatural realm doesn't exist. However I still have faith in the Golden rule: treat others as you want them to treat you, and in the riddles of love your neighbour & enemies (eg have a caring attitude toward & non exaggerated, non generalised opinion of them), be forgiving, be a peacemaker, be merciful, turn the other cheek where appropriate but vigorously defend your innocence when falsely accused, comply with the 2011 U.K laws. etc
So what if Jesus and God are myth? Church is about meeting friends chatting about holidays & friends and singing nice tunes or sitting round a camp fire with a guitar. If churches would honestly embrace the full arument pro and con instead of covering up inconvenient truths they would get on much better. You have heard it said, 'Believe and do not doubt' but now I say unto thee, to have a balanced view ministers should encourage people to value doubt which is simply the other side of the argument from the one that supports your conclusion'. It is possible to move from Christian orthodoxy to a higher moral plane.A health & safety assessment can be done on all human activity. Modern secular law reflects that. These authors point out the defects in Bible morality which is largely superstition based. Loftus & co stand alone on the word of man; the B.I.B.L.E.
It's time to accept that the sceptical in the congregation were right all along when they they thought the minister was taking it all too seriously.
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Re: The End of Christianity - John W. Loftus

Bericht door johnson33 » 15 mei 2013 13:39

It is worth indicating that advocates of New Atheism offer public correspondences that is, as you indicated:

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Re: The End of Christianity - John W. Loftus

Bericht door Jinny » 15 mei 2013 16:36

johnson33 schreef:It is worth indicating that advocates of New Atheism offer public correspondences that is, as you indicated:
I say welkom, try to read our rules.

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johnson33 schreef:It is worth indicating that advocates of New Atheism offer public correspondences that is, as you indicated:
Did you forget to give the link?
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Re: The End of Christianity - John W. Loftus

Bericht door dikkemick » 16 mei 2013 16:38

En wie zullen dit boek beslist niet lezen?

Denk niet dat religie zomaar zal verdwijnen. Mensen hebben altijd geloofd in geesten, spoken, goden en zullen dit nog lang blijven doen. Geloof is nl. geen geloof maar een hele vaste overtuiging.
Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.
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