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Fish schreef:De vraag is waarom ze niet zelf een politiemacht opzetten voor hun eigen regio, geld kan niet het probleem zijn?
Wat dan wel?
Zou het een verborgen agenda kunnen zijn?
Als het westen ingrijpt verhoogd dat vooral de haat tegen het westen.

Fish schreef: De vraag is waarom ze niet zelf een politiemacht opzetten voor hun eigen regio, geld kan niet het probleem zijn?
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Uncle Rat schreef:

Fish schreef: De vraag is waarom ze niet zelf een politiemacht opzetten voor hun eigen regio, geld kan niet het probleem zijn?
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Omdat terrorisme buitengewoon effectief is als afschrikmiddel tegen iedereen die het waagt het te willen bestrijden, misschien?

Fish schreef:Het gaat mij niet om terrorisme maar om situaties zoals in Libië en Syrië.

Oil reserves in Libya are the largest in Africa and the fifth largest[citation needed] in the world with 76.4 billion barrels (12.15×109 m3) as of 2010. Oil production was 3.1 million barrels per day (490×103 m3/d) as of 2010, giving Libya 77 years of reserves at current production rates if no new reserves were to be found.[1] Libya is considered a highly attractive oil area due to its low cost of oil production (as low as $1 per barrel at some fields), and proximity to European markets. Libya's challenge is maintaining production at mature fields, while finding and developing new oil fields. Most of Libya remains unexplored as a result of past sanctions and disagreements with foreign oil companies.[2]

The Syrian Pipelineistan angle
This graphic Iranian success in South Asia contrasts with its predicament in Southwest Asia.

The South Pars gas fields – the largest in the world – are shared by Iran and Qatar. Tehran and Doha have developed an extremely tricky relationship, mixing cooperation and hardcore competition.

The key (unstated) reason for Qatar to be so obsessed by regime change in Syria is to kill the $10 billion Iran-Iraq-Syria pipeline, which was agreed upon in July 2011. The same applies to Turkey, because this pipeline would bypass Ankara, which always bills itself as the key energy crossroads between East and West

It’s crucial to remember that the Iran-Iraq-Syria pipeline is as anathema to Washington as IP. The difference is that Washington in this case can count on its allies Qatar and Turkey to sabotage the whole deal.

This means sabotaging not only Iran but also the 'Four Seas' strategy announced by Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in 2009, according to which Damascus should become a Pipelineistan hub connected to the Caspian Sea, the Black Sea, the Persian Gulf and the Eastern Mediterranean.

The strategy spells out a Syria intimately connected with Iranian – and not Qatari – energy flows. Iran-Iraq-Syria is known in the region as the 'friendship pipeline.' Typically, Western corporate media derides it as an 'Islamic' pipeline. (So Saudi pipelines are what, Catholic?) What makes it even more ridiculous is that gas in this pipeline would flow to Syria and then Lebanon – and from there to energy-starved European markets close by.

The Pipelineistan games get even more complicated when we add the messy Iraqi Kurdistan/Turkey energy love affair – detailed here by Erimtan Can – and the recent gas discoveries in the Eastern Mediterranean involving territorial waters of Israel, Palestine, Cyprus, Egypt, Lebanon and Syria; some, or perhaps all of these actors could turn from energy importers to energy exporters.

Israel will have a clear option to send its gas via a pipeline to Turkey, and then export it to Europe; that goes a long way to explain the recent phone call schmoozing between Turkey’s Prime Minister Erdogan and Israel’s Netanyahu, brokered by Obama.

Terrestrial and maritime borders between Israel and Lebanon remain dependent on a hazy UN Blue Line, set up way back in 2000. Damascus – as well as Tehran – supports Beirut, once again against Washington’s will. And Damascus also supports Baghdad’s strategy of diversifying its means of distribution, once again trying to escape the Strait of Hormuz. Thus, the importance of the Iran-Iraq-Syria pipeline.

No wonder Syria is a red line for Tehran. Now the whole of Pipelineistan will be watching how far Qatar is willing to go following Washington's obsession.

The Iran-Iraq-Syria pipeline plan is a "direct slap in the face" to Qatar's plans for a countervailing pipeline running from Qatar's North field, contiguous with Iran's South Pars field, through Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria and on to Turkey, also with a view to supply European markets.

The difference is that the pipeline would bypass Russia.

Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Turkey have received covert support from Washington in the funneling of arms to the most virulent Islamist elements of the rebel movement, while Russia and Iran have supplied arms to Assad.

Israel also has a direct interest in countering the Iran-brokered pipeline. In 2003, just a month after the commencement of the Iraq War, US and Israeli government sources told The Guardian of plans to "build a pipeline to siphon oil from newly conquered Iraq to Israel" bypassing Syria.

The basis for the plan, known as the Haifa project, goes back to a 1975 MoU signed by then Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, "whereby the US would guarantee Israel's oil reserves and energy supply in times of crisis." As late as 2007, US and Israeli government officials were in discussion on costs and contingencies for the Iraq-Israel pipeline project.

The UN high commissioner for human rights has offered a conservative under-estimate of the death toll at about 70,000 people - accompanied by over 1 million Syrian refugees in neighbouring countries and more than 2 million people internally displaced. According to another independent study, about 79% of confirmed victims of violence in Syria have been civilians.

The mass gathering and storage by Washington (and we assume London) of every citizen's electronic communication – "we hack everyone, everywhere" is the motto – has handed Osama bin Laden his last great coup. The Prism programme shows how far militant Islam's crazy bid to undermine western values can succeed, when democracy hands securocrats unlimited money and unconstrained power.

Uncle Rat schreef:

Fish schreef:Het gaat mij niet om terrorisme maar om situaties zoals in Libië en Syrië.

In die landen hebben ze een 'politiemacht' ingezet: Al Qaeda..

appelfflap schreef: het gaat me niet perse over Israel al gebruiken zij bvb witte fosfor tegen de palestijnse burgers. Dit is gewoon een chemisch wapen


de VS is tegen folter en voor mensenrechten. Ze huren dus advocaten en taalkundigen in, zoeken een synoniem voor folter en leggen het zo uit dat het onvermijdelijk is.
PR gewijs wordt het er ook mooi ingesmeerd door bvb Jack Bauer in 24. Die MOET folteren omdat hij anders de informatie niet te pakken krijgt. op die manier wordt de publieke opinie gemasseerd tot dat waterboarding iets onschuldigs is.

voor de gefolterden ontwerpt men een nieuwe naam zodat men hen zogezegd/op papier aan bescherming vd geneva conventie kan ontrekken en hen intensief mag ondervragen. let er vooral op dat in eht geval vd VS NOOIT de term folteren gebruikt zal worden

Klikzoi schreef: Het gebruik van fosfor had een heel ander doel dan wat deze Palestijnse terroristen hierover verkondigen. Internationaal is het Israëlisch gebruik van fosfor niet als een chemische aanval veroordeeld.

Waterboarding valt niet onder folteren omdat het de persoon in kwestie geen lichamelijke schade toebrengt. Maar het doel heiligt de middelen. Men heeft met dit soort technieken wel Osama Bin Laden weten te executeren.

appelfflap schreef:internetcontrole?
tsja wilt ge persoonlijke informatie NIET te grabbel gooien, zet het gewoon niet online.
enne, Soms vraag ik me af wie de ergste controleur is. VS, Rusland, China, Israel, google, facebook...

maakt niet uit,
ben altijd blij als de cia/mossad blijkbaar een Nederlandse tolk inhuurt om mijn emails en facebookberichten te vertalen